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Get In The Ring

In the red corner … is geocaching’s  heavyweight and everybody’s favourite, Groundspeak. And in the blue corner … brash contender Garmin, seeming out to topple the sporting veteran’s undefeated reign. There’s supposedly been bad blood between them since Groundspeak picked one of Garmin’s competitors to produce a cheap, family-friendly GPSr, the Geomate Junior. In round 2, Garmin struck back with the surprise release of its wireless geocaching device, the chirp. Groundspeak won round 3, relegating Garmin to the bottom of the table. Now in what may be the fight of the century, the GPSr manufacturer looks to be hitting back below the belt with its purchase of the Opencaching.com domain.

So, before the next bell rings, we’re asking you the fans to predict the outcome.



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  1. DudleyGrunt

    As a user and admin at OpenCaching.us (though, just speaking for myself), I’m not sure what to think. I like the idea of competition and think that currently, Groundspeak doesn’t have any real competition.

    The current confederation of OpenCaching sites are each independent, so it would be interesting if Garmin was interested in working with these sites to create a shared database and a stronger competitor to Groundspeak.

    Will have to wait and see.

    1. CraigRat

      It will certainly be interesting to see what they do.

      As one of the developers of an free-and-open geocaching site ( http://geocaching.com.au )I look forward to seeing what they dish up and how ‘open’ it really is. The concept of a large commercial company running an ‘open’ site is something I need to get my head around, I can see many conflicts with such an arrangement.

      Look, a heck of a lot of people use devices and software that handle more than one geocaching listing site, this is just potentially another alternative.

      Bring it on I say!

      1. Cumbyrocks

        I agree with your comment about a large commercial company having conflicts in the setting up of a ‘free’ and ‘open’ service. I’m not entirely sure that many, if any, companies have been able to achieve that before.

    2. caughtatwork

      Free and Open Global Geocaching. That’s the motto of Geocaching Australia.

      While not a member of the Open Caching crew, Geocaching Australia has been supporting and promoting free and open geocaching since 2005 and I for one, welcome our new Garmin overlords.

      No hang on, not overlords, possible and potential partners in the new free and open geocaching world where membership is free, cache downloads via GPX files are free and there are no rules set by those driven by money who promote the game to line their own pockets.

      I say welcome to Garmin into the world of geocache listings and look forward the new world dawning.

  2. DudleyGrunt

    As a user and admin at OpenCaching.us (though, just speaking for myself), I’m not sure what to think. I like the idea of competition and think that currently, Groundspeak doesn’t have any real competition.

    The current confederation of OpenCaching sites are each independent, so it would be interesting if Garmin was interested in working with these sites to create a shared database and a stronger competitor to Groundspeak.

    Will have to wait and see.

  3. Jörg (DWJ_Bund)

    Hi folks (sorry for a little bit “bad” english 🙂 )

    I’m a member of the “Team Opencaching.de” which provides the free services behind the free german plattform opencaching.de.

    We are “not amused” about the choice of this already used name.

    Opencaching.de is one of several national opencaching.XY, that have been started years(!) ago, several other national plattforms are prepared to start.

    Take a look at http://www.opencaching.eu. All of this plattforms are driven and supportet by volunteers in their rare spare time all over the world. And they are growing! From US to japan!

    In europe Garmin is the marketleader of GPS-devices. The Geocaching-market in germany is the biggest one after US.

    I’m shure, most of this people from the several opencaching-network-plattforms using GARMIN devices.

    And now, this big company is going to initiate a new plattform with the exactly (!) identical name “Opencaching”?!

    Whats their goal?

    a) Displace/Eleminate the free opencaching-network?

    b) Work together with the opencaching-network?

    c) …(?)

    reg. a) With a lot of (marketing/PR) money Garmin has the power to do that, shure!

    reg. b) No dialog has been iniiate by Garmin Ltd at this time!

    Discussions about the behavior of Garmin Ltd has been started in germany geocaching-scene (>google). Some say, they will not use Garmin-devices further, if Garmin “execute” the free opencaching-network.

    We, the Team of the german plattform http://www.opencaching.de are open for dialog with Garmin Ltd.

    Hey Garmin Ltd, what’s going on? Pick up your phone or drop us a line via mail!

    Garmin Germany can give you the phone-number.
    We already work together for better support of GPX-files from opencaching.XY in Garmin-devices.

    Jörg
    Member of Team Opencaching.de (Germany)
    contact@opencaching.de

    1. Cumbyrocks

      Thanks for the update and comments Jorg. Here’s hoping we all hear from Garmin/opencaching.com soon!

  4. Jörg (DWJ_Bund)

    Hi folks (sorry for a little bit “bad” english 🙂 )

    I’m a member of the “Team Opencaching.de” which provides the free services behind the free german plattform opencaching.de.

    We are “not amused” about the choice of this already used name.

    Opencaching.de is one of several national opencaching.XY, that have been started years(!) ago, several other national plattforms are prepared to start.

    Take a look at http://www.opencaching.eu. All of this plattforms are driven and supportet by volunteers in their rare spare time all over the world. And they are growing! From US to japan!

    In europe Garmin is the marketleader of GPS-devices. The Geocaching-market in germany is the biggest one after US.

    I’m shure, most of this people from the several opencaching-network-plattforms using GARMIN devices.

    And now, this big company is going to initiate a new plattform with the exactly (!) identical name “Opencaching”?!

    Whats their goal?

    a) Displace/Eleminate the free opencaching-network?

    b) Work together with the opencaching-network?

    c) …(?)

    reg. a) With a lot of (marketing/PR) money Garmin has the power to do that, shure!

    reg. b) No dialog has been iniiate by Garmin Ltd at this time!

    Discussions about the behavior of Garmin Ltd has been started in germany geocaching-scene (>google). Some say, they will not use Garmin-devices further, if Garmin “execute” the free opencaching-network.

    We, the Team of the german plattform http://www.opencaching.de are open for dialog with Garmin Ltd.

    Hey Garmin Ltd, what’s going on? Pick up your phone or drop us a line via mail!

    Garmin Germany can give you the phone-number.
    We already work together for better support of GPX-files from opencaching.XY in Garmin-devices.

    Jörg
    Member of Team Opencaching.de (Germany)
    contact@opencaching.de

    1. Cumbyrocks

      Thanks for the update and comments Jorg. Here’s hoping we all hear from Garmin/opencaching.com soon!

      1. Cumbyrocks

        I agree with your comment about a large commercial company having conflicts in the setting up of a ‘free’ and ‘open’ service. I’m not entirely sure that many, if any, companies have been able to achieve that before.

  5. kjwx

    FYI: It’s Not About The Numbers has approached Garmin’s US and Australian offices for comment on this topic but has yet to hear back from either party.
    We’ll keep you posted …

  6. kjwx

    FYI: It’s Not About The Numbers has approached Garmin’s US and Australian offices for comment on this topic but has yet to hear back from either party.
    We’ll keep you posted …

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